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10 Responses to “Supreme Court Decision on Gitmo Undermines Bush’s Legal Case For Warrantless Wiretapping”
I can hear the wingnuts teeth gnashing already. This is a great day for justice in America.
This is not only going to greatly effect Hamdan and all Gitmo detainees, it is going to slowly make it’s way to everything Shrub has claimed is covered by the authorization of use of force that congress approved what was it, nearly 5 years ago? He can not do whatever the fuck he wants to and the Supreme Court completely agrees.
This will at the very least push away even more fence sitters that realize now that they are being screwed at every turn by this bogus administration.
Wingnuts: Click the blue thingy up at the top and enjoy a good read.
um, that’s not what the decision said BRT. it doesn’t require that they be tried in civilian courts. it does require that any tribunal set up for them have the protections of the UCMJ (which is for military courts, by the way) and that they have the protections of common article 3 of the geneva convention.
The ruling holds that common article 3 applies, but because Justice Kennedy concurred in only portions of Steven’s opinion, exactly how it applies seems to remain an open question.
The ruling is certainly a defeat for the administration, but I suspect the majority of Americans will view the ruling as another reason to vote Republican in the fall. Today’s result will ultimately turn out to be a political victory for Republicans.
The terrorists will remain at Gitmo until the Pentagon and Congress can establish a process (for trying the detainees) that is acceptable to the Court.
The 61% on my side say you and the 39% on your side are in store for a rude awakening the morning after the mid term election. You’ll be waking up to a House of Reps with a Democratic majority. The Senate will no doubt stay in the hands of the 39% but with the change of power in the house and with progressive moderate Republicans (translation: real conservatives) as the swing votes in the senate for approving investigatory oversight hearings…ahhh…it will be an entertaining congress. More will get done in the last 2 years of Shrub’s presidency then did the previous 4 years - it won’t even be close. He won’t like much of it but the work of the people will be getting done.
When have we ever tried enemy combatants in civilian courts peaches?
BRT you ugly old fuck. As usual you don’t know what you are talking about. This decision opens up a pandora’s box of mismanagement and abuse of power the likes we have never seen. Get your magnifying glass out and read the Readers Digest ENLARGED version of the Court’s decision. Then take your peaches and shove them in your colostomy hole.
You may be right, Jimmy. It certainly would be an interesting House with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. I don’t think I would begin my celebration quite yet though.
actually, i agree with everything that aileron said except for the bit about how it will help republicans in the fall
there’s this weird abiding belief that the american public still supports the bush administrations “war on terra” policies, despite the fact that polls say otherwise.
but hey, i could be wrong. maybe we’ll find out in november
An interestimg discussion on Mein Blogo Vaulto (boo, hiss, gabble waankkk!)…. :+)
“Pelosi to terrorists: Democrats have your six
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement today following the United States Supreme Court decision that trying Guantanamo detainees before military commissions violates U.S. law and the Geneva Conventions:
“Today’s Supreme Court decision reaffirms the American ideal that all are entitled to the basic guarantees of our justice system. This is a triumph for the rule of law.
“The rights of due process are among our most cherished liberties, and today’s decision is a rebuke of the Bush Administration’s detainee policies and a reminder of our responsibility to protect both the American people and our Constitutional rights. We cannot allow the values on which our country was founded to become a casualty in the war on terrorism.”
Pundit Guy reacts:
‘If you plan terrorist attacks against America, if you kill Americans in a successful terrorist attack, if you kill our troops in Iraq or on any battlefield, we, the Democratic Party, will defend your right to be defended.’
Yup. Pelosi is now on record granting Osama bin Laden the same Constitutional rights that US citizens who aren’t at war with the US enjoy. Hamdan has gotten Pelosi to put the Democrats’ real position on the table, giving the president a bright line to draw between himself and them for the mid-terms.
When that happens and the topic is national security, the president wins every time.
No, not at all BRT. When that happens, the constitution is actually followed and not ignored except by you and the rest of the 39%.
Up until four years ago self respecting common sense Americans (the 61%ers) were confident in a government that based treatment of all people on the constitution. We were respected and admired here and worldwide for our support of rights of ourselves and others. Even captured enemies. Now we are a disgrace to our founders. And to the rest of the world. Ultimately I carry some of the blame for this. But the load mostly rests on the 39% and their leaders. That would be you and Shrub to start with BRT.
June 29th, 2006 at 3:40 pm
I can hear the wingnuts teeth gnashing already. This is a great day for justice in America.
This is not only going to greatly effect Hamdan and all Gitmo detainees, it is going to slowly make it’s way to everything Shrub has claimed is covered by the authorization of use of force that congress approved what was it, nearly 5 years ago? He can not do whatever the fuck he wants to and the Supreme Court completely agrees.
This will at the very least push away even more fence sitters that realize now that they are being screwed at every turn by this bogus administration.
Wingnuts: Click the blue thingy up at the top and enjoy a good read.
June 29th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
When have we ever tried enemy combatants in civilian courts peaches?
When have we ever tried enemy combatants during a war?
Its precedent in this country to hold enemy combatants during war time,
then try them in military courts after the war is over.
What’s wrong with that?
What’s wrong with you, for that matter?
Never mind…
June 29th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
um, that’s not what the decision said BRT. it doesn’t require that they be tried in civilian courts. it does require that any tribunal set up for them have the protections of the UCMJ (which is for military courts, by the way) and that they have the protections of common article 3 of the geneva convention.
June 29th, 2006 at 8:52 pm
The ruling holds that common article 3 applies, but because Justice Kennedy concurred in only portions of Steven’s opinion, exactly how it applies seems to remain an open question.
The ruling is certainly a defeat for the administration, but I suspect the majority of Americans will view the ruling as another reason to vote Republican in the fall. Today’s result will ultimately turn out to be a political victory for Republicans.
The terrorists will remain at Gitmo until the Pentagon and Congress can establish a process (for trying the detainees) that is acceptable to the Court.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:52 pm
Flappy, oh Flappy…
The 61% on my side say you and the 39% on your side are in store for a rude awakening the morning after the mid term election. You’ll be waking up to a House of Reps with a Democratic majority. The Senate will no doubt stay in the hands of the 39% but with the change of power in the house and with progressive moderate Republicans (translation: real conservatives) as the swing votes in the senate for approving investigatory oversight hearings…ahhh…it will be an entertaining congress. More will get done in the last 2 years of Shrub’s presidency then did the previous 4 years - it won’t even be close. He won’t like much of it but the work of the people will be getting done.
BRT you ugly old fuck. As usual you don’t know what you are talking about. This decision opens up a pandora’s box of mismanagement and abuse of power the likes we have never seen. Get your magnifying glass out and read the Readers Digest ENLARGED version of the Court’s decision. Then take your peaches and shove them in your colostomy hole.
June 30th, 2006 at 7:55 am
You may be right, Jimmy. It certainly would be an interesting House with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. I don’t think I would begin my celebration quite yet though.
June 30th, 2006 at 9:26 am
actually, i agree with everything that aileron said except for the bit about how it will help republicans in the fall
there’s this weird abiding belief that the american public still supports the bush administrations “war on terra” policies, despite the fact that polls say otherwise.
but hey, i could be wrong. maybe we’ll find out in november
June 30th, 2006 at 9:38 am
Nancy Pelosi.
An interestimg discussion on Mein Blogo Vaulto (boo, hiss, gabble waankkk!)…. :+)
“Pelosi to terrorists: Democrats have your six
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement today following the United States Supreme Court decision that trying Guantanamo detainees before military commissions violates U.S. law and the Geneva Conventions:
“Today’s Supreme Court decision reaffirms the American ideal that all are entitled to the basic guarantees of our justice system. This is a triumph for the rule of law.
“The rights of due process are among our most cherished liberties, and today’s decision is a rebuke of the Bush Administration’s detainee policies and a reminder of our responsibility to protect both the American people and our Constitutional rights. We cannot allow the values on which our country was founded to become a casualty in the war on terrorism.”
Pundit Guy reacts:
‘If you plan terrorist attacks against America, if you kill Americans in a successful terrorist attack, if you kill our troops in Iraq or on any battlefield, we, the Democratic Party, will defend your right to be defended.’
Yup. Pelosi is now on record granting Osama bin Laden the same Constitutional rights that US citizens who aren’t at war with the US enjoy. Hamdan has gotten Pelosi to put the Democrats’ real position on the table, giving the president a bright line to draw between himself and them for the mid-terms.
When that happens and the topic is national security, the president wins every time.
June 30th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
No, not at all BRT. When that happens, the constitution is actually followed and not ignored except by you and the rest of the 39%.
Up until four years ago self respecting common sense Americans (the 61%ers) were confident in a government that based treatment of all people on the constitution. We were respected and admired here and worldwide for our support of rights of ourselves and others. Even captured enemies. Now we are a disgrace to our founders. And to the rest of the world. Ultimately I carry some of the blame for this. But the load mostly rests on the 39% and their leaders. That would be you and Shrub to start with BRT.
Thanks ever so much.
July 1st, 2006 at 1:51 am
No military tribunal? Alas!